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    Lennart Sas
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    #81356

    NuMetal
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    Big hint for everyone:

    Before reading turn on this!!! 😉

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyXt6giA3Sc9tFkzbsKPn26QFgi0DF9N3&feature=c4-feed-u

    #81378

    FINALLY!! Ive waiting for this since last year when Ham Binger told us about it! What a great read, but i now understand what you meant about it being unfinished as i have so many issues with the events.

    My main complaint is about how the events are not very descriptive and that many seem to be way to random for my liking. It seems a lot more like the early basic events of a story/novel than a timeline to me.

    A huge issue i have is related to something that is so important to the lore and that is how much repetition we see with people searching for the mending – and then all of a sudden the answer comes out of nowhere, but i will talk about that event down below.

    Im pretty harsh below, only because the lore means a lot to me in this game lol, feel free to discuss my opinions if you like 😛

    Faced with a common threat, rival siblings Meandor and Julia of the ancient Elven House Inioch put aside their conflicts. Together with the human wizard called Merlin and his otherworldly Syron allies; they drove the shadow demons back and defeated Phobius. The world returned to peace. This happened in the year 382 of Queen Julia’s Rule.

    Sounds awfully similar to the high elves minus the sexy time but ok ….

    QJR 384 – Shadow Flight: The Syrons and Archons follow the retreating Shadow Demons beyond the ShadowAoWSM_demon_warriorf Gate.

    Every single Archon/Syron? Not very descriptive. Also doesnt talk about the Archon Settlements / crypts.

    Meandor (the Wizard of Death and High King of Dark Elves) and Julia (the Wizard of Life and High Queen of the Wood Elves) rule what remains of the surrendered Phobian empire in peace.

    The dark elves rule half of athla in peace …. this does not sound like dark elves and again, like the high elves already existed.

    QJR 387 – Delegations of Human representatives petition Julia for power to seek their own sovereignty. Queen Julia is sympathetic, but after the reign of Phobius Meandor does not trust the Human race. Because the two rule together, she respects his wishes and sides with her brother, denying their petition.

    I don’t see the point of this event at all, since it wasn’t very descriptive its as if the decision had no consequence. “can we have some more power please” “no” “oh ok ttyl then, love you Julia our lovely waifu!”

    QJR 390 – The Syron and Archons return from the Shadow Realm, pleading for help from the world’s greatest heroes. [….] Meandor is sick of the constant squawking of human complaints and proclaims his intent to leave the world of Athla to exterminate the forces of Shadow. [….] Meandor leaves three of his most trusted servants [….] to rule in his place.

    This event is redonkadonk (ridiculous!) Ok, so who came back? A wizard? Accompanied by an army? Asking for heroes? No no no, at this point in time you mean wizards.
    And why would Meandor leave a bunch of dark elves to rule in his place when
    1) he has made up with his sister who is a proven leader and
    2) his dark elves have a history of not getting on well with each other or anyone else for that matter (so lets make a group of them work together as joint leaders of half the continent! Great idea Meandor! Your supposed to be a tactical mastermind for crying out loud lol learn from your mistakes! …)

    It becomes clear to Julia that most Elves, due to their immortal nature, are unfamiliar with the immediate nature of humans and their needs for quick resolution of things an Elf might find tiresome or unimportant.

    Erm… elves have known humans for a looooong time already. Just have a look at the original timeline for 1, WT and SM. Surely elves know about the impatience of humans by now … honestly this is just another pointless event atm.

    Among them various Orc, Draconian and Goblin clans, the Tigrans, a group of Dark Elves led by Hester, and all the Frostling Kings. They withdraw from the Council of Kings.

    The remaining kings, wizards and heroes agree to abdicate their power to the people, opting to form the first Ruling Synod to establish common rights and laws that enforce equality for all their subjects. They name their new government: The Commonwealth.

    Stronghelm City is officially declared to be the capital.

    Ok, so this implies that not only the Elves, Dwarves, Humans and certain Goblin clans accept the treaty but also the Halflings and Nomads… where are they and why didn’t the commonwealth or at least the forces of good help the halflings in the below event..

    Also, the Orcs, Draconians, Tigrans and Frostlings only say no to joining a new government, thats all. Maaaany factions were not ruled by the Wizard Kings or Wizards of Evermore i.e. the human lords that were mentioned many times in the previous games. Why would they instantly go into war mode with each other.. even if they aimed the giant FU cannons at each other.. i see no reason why it would spark hostilities (based on this timeline of events!)

    Also, why was this random city in a new area of the map made the capital? An area of the map we have never seen before… Definitely something that needs to be fleshed out more.

    2 YC – 200 YC – An Era of Common Glory: An unprecedented era of peace and prosperity ensues for the Commonwealth.

    66 YC – The Frostling Kings, tired of being pushed to the fringe of the fairest lands, attempt to break the Commonwealth’s hold. After two years of war, the Frostlings are driven out of Brisska and far into the north. All subsequent diplomatic overtures are met with disastrous results. They refuse all contact with the Commonwealth, barricading themselves in a land of permanent ice and snow. From this time on, none of the people known as Frostlings hold any lands of significance within the Commonwealth.

    Within this 200 years of supposed unprecedented peace, how can the frostling event take place? Especially without any warning or relevant foreshadowing.

    He claims to have been away for 1500 years, though he has been gone from Athla for less than 50. He tells of many realms, fragments of kingdoms, and portals found in the Shadow World, where even the passage of time is not the same as it is on the Blessed Continent.

    Oh gods no, this is just going to make everything more complicated for the sake of .. nothing …. 100% not needed and needs to retconned asap for the sake of our sanity! =P

    Most of the Wizards that entered the labyrinthine realm have disappeared behind this endless realm of smoke and mirrors.

    I think a list of those from the previous games who entered the gates would be nice, atm its like a dark hole for you to just throw anyone in ou want to get rid of.

    Also a little unrelated to events between the 2 games but a list of deceased wizards during the events of each game would be nice (i.e. Mab being devoured by shadow demons)

    A movement springs into action demanding the Shadowgates throughout the world be closed.

    39 YC – [….] All other shadow gates are now destroyed, and many of the people far from the last Gate start to forget the pain of the past.

    Ok so the gates are all closed/destroyed. If its that easy, why on earth did Merin blow up evermore… this needs to be explained. You cant just say “yea in between the games something was found and they did this because… yea…”

    After a quick and mostly nonviolent conflict they are given the option to leave Athla altogether through the Shadowgate or remain in Athla, stripped of their noble titles.

    Loved this event. Perhaps a homage to the MoO3 exiles? 🙂

    37 YC – Sunbirth City – Merlin is appointed guardian to the last Shadowgate in Sunbirth Citadel. He invites Julia to join him in the study of the weird phenomena in the region. Her affinity with nature and life magic lead them to a deeper understanding of the nature of Mana and its regenerative properties in the very world of Athla.

    Again another pointless event. Its as if its supposed to have some form of huge effect on the characters/world but nothing changes with this new knowledge.. i can perhaps understand it being an event related to the next phase of the storyline but atm i see no relevant connection 🙁

    94 YC – What remains of the Tigran Race

    What the hell does that mean?? Remains? Are they plagued by a plague of brigands? Disease? War? Did someone lure them away with a lot of milk? Did they go looking for Yaka not knowing he is either dead or in the void/shadow world (Drax, what happened to Yaka? Your the man to ask ^_^)

    99 – YC – As Wizards explore realms beyond the Shadow Gates, Commonwealth explores finding rich new lands on Athla itself. A call is made for colonists to fill the newly established colonies far across the seas and in unspoiled distant lands.

    Its fine to say this, but we see absolutely no reference to this on the maps. Even in the campaign with the arrows indicating the movement of troops. Surely some arrows coming from off map would of made sense? Or do you simply mean the edges of the map seen in the campaign? (because wee already know the commonwealth exceeds it by being in the northern wastes with the frostlings).

    If so, thats kind of lame. How can you push the new capital so far away and then only manage to get a little frther out to the sides of the continent? Was this capital city on the edge of known territory at the start of the commonwealth or something??

    100 YC – The Last Shadowgate opens, this time from the inside. A delegation of Archons request assistance from Wizards and noble warriors to join them in what they call “The War Without End”.

    Why do they want to see Merlin? Because he is the leader of evermore? Sure he is the best wizard atm but he holds little to no control over the commonwealth of wizards which surely would help a lot more than a single OP wizard. Julia would of been the go to woman.

    Then they continue to call the Commonwealth lazy and just leave… made no sense.

    136 YC – The Cataclysm

    Silly event. Without knowing what the trouble was (im fine not knowing) it seems INSANELY overkill. Showing us that they know something bads coming, having them go mental and change EVERYTHING without telling us why. Not something i can personally get behind lol.

    137 YC – The Great Dearth

    Sure it said the cities were unstable, but it should of specifically referenced the wizard towers going crazy relating them to the current in game towers and the minions inside.

    140 YC – Hunted and despised, Merlin seeks asylum with Julia, but the people, demand he be delivered to the Ruling Synod for execution as a traitor. Julia, in an effort to appease the outraged people, orders Merlin’s execution.

    This event just sort of stops here …. what happened? Give me a Merlin mini campaign of 3-4 maps instead of an explanation … yea that would be nice! <3

    146 YC – Slain and beaten, driven and betrayed, the Elves gather in the West, and choose Saridas and Julia as protectors.

    Is this the reasoning behind why half the map is unclaimed territory? Including the once strong and proud capital of elven kind. I would of assumed Iniochs throne city to have a strong elven presence no matter what, instead of it being the meeting point under the control of an orc druid .. what is going on lol.

    150 YC – The Mending

    Ok, now that we have been given the reasoning and lore behind the event i can say this is the stupidest part of the story and this hurts me so much as its such a huge part of the high elven backstory.

    So basically the mending is a giant brain washing event …. the High Elves (including Julia) are evil as fudge! “come watch us make babies and you will love each other again (aka dark elves wont want to kill any/everything that they disagree with and enjoy being above ground again!)”

    This needs to be rewritten imo.

    153 YC – Rumors start to spread about the old Archon cities, long since void of the divine beings. Remote and almost forgotten, their dwellings are said to be haunted.

    I was 99.999% sure that they are crypts, not cities. The burial grounds of Archons on Athla and once the magics left the land they rose as undead? Some conformation on this would be nice (before the Archon expansion if possible lol)

    157 YC – A new form of religion becomes popular in the Commonwealth. Demand for strange Shrines that empower their followers with enchantments outstrip the new sect’s ability to build them. Many Shrines are idols of the disappeared Wizard Kings.

    Although brief, this was a nice event. Would be nice if this could be fleshed out more. I see this being a mini campaign though tbh, 2-4 small-medium maps would be amazing.

    173 YC – Heartwood Halfling Massacre

    Im fine with the teaser, even though its hard to believe. But .. really you guys are evil.. keeping me in suspense mode for the epic hairy footed halflings 🙁 Which i probably wont see until the release of the next hobbit movie (fantastic release synergy! lol)

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    Ok so I could have nit picked on each event but i tried to stick to just the ones i had bigger issues with lol 🙂 Quite harsh on some topics but really, its only because i love the lore so damn much! =)

    #81387

    Thariorn
    Member

    Nice.

    It’s good to have such a ‘summary’ of events.

    This also opens up the ‘countless’ possibilities’ for future DLC in terms of lore-friendly races/characters/campaigns 😀

    #81439

    Added “the list” of issues i have lol 🙂 im so dam passionate about your games story! But that’s a good thing, right?

    #81512

    Rhaeg
    Member

    Very nice update! The campaigns and story have always been the heart of the AOW games for me, so in the past 2,5 weeks I have devoted most of my time to the new campaigns. After finishing them, I have to say they raise more questions than answer them, so I’m really hoping for a follow-up campaign sooner rather than later…

    137 YC – The Great Dearth – With the Wizard Kings losing their power, a great famine covers the lands of the Blessed Continent. Crops fail. The rains refuse to fall. The whole land suffers. Julia and her Elves save many lives by carefully rationing supplies that they stockpiled.

    So Julia was hording suplies before Merlin destroyed the Wizard’s Circle and last shadow gate, which implies she knew it was going to happen. It seems likely she also knew what Meandor was going to do. Whatever was found behind the shadow gate, it led to Merlin, Julia and Meandor plotting something. They must have decided one of them (Meandor) must go through the Shadow Gate with as much force as possible before closing the last of the gates ‘forever’. Whether this decision has something to do with many of the wizards going through the gate in 132 YC, I’m not sure.

    My guess now is that the wizards going through the gate claimed a source of power that Meandor discovered and they are now trying to get back with it to Athla. These wizards are also the ones who have shrines built to them on Athla.

    #81534

    Rhaeg
    Member

    My main complaint is about how the events are not very descriptive and that many seem to be way to random for my liking. It seems a lot more like the early basic events of a story/novel than a timeline to me.

    Seems pretty much similar in style to the timeline that appeared in the original AOW manual. A timeline mentions events; since when does it have to be descriptive? The “way too random” part was to be expected: AOW3 had to drop many of the established races and the story/lore has to be adjusted accordingly. Very far from an ideal situation from a writer’s perspective, but that’s how it can go with a pc game. It’s sorta hard to explain the disappearance of entire races and I understand why the exact circumstances and events are left vague.

    Every single Archon/Syron? Not very descriptive. Also doesnt talk about the Archon Settlements / crypts.

    With these 2 races I find it not so strange to have virtually all of them leave through the shadow gate. The Syrons would be going home or going after their ancient enemies. The Archons have always seemed to move with a singular purpose.

    QJR 387 – Delegations of Human representatives petition Julia for power to seek their own sovereignty. Queen Julia is sympathetic, but after the reign of Phobius Meandor does not trust the Human race. Because the two rule together, she respects his wishes and sides with her brother, denying their petition.

    I don’t see the point of this event at all, since it wasn’t very descriptive its as if the decision had no consequence. “can we have some more power please” “no” “oh ok ttyl then, love you Julia our lovely waifu!”

    It’s a foreshadowing of what is to happen later with the formation of the commonwealth and humanity gaining control over it. Humans are always seeking to have control over their own fate.

    Also, why was this random city in a new area of the map made the capital? An area of the map we have never seen before… Definitely something that needs to be fleshed out more.

    You are talking about Stronghelm, you heathen! Not a new area of the map, but Phobius’ capitol in Shadow Magic, the greatest human city ever built! 😛

    Within this 200 years of supposed unprecedented peace, how can the frostling event take place? Especially without any warning or relevant foreshadowing.

    Ok, I agree, these 200 years don’t sound THAT peaceful to me 😉

    He claims to have been away for 1500 years, though he has been gone from Athla for less than 50. He tells of many realms, fragments of kingdoms, and portals found in the Shadow World, where even the passage of time is not the same as it is on the Blessed Continent.

    Oh gods no, this is just going to make everything more complicated for the sake of .. nothing …. 100% not needed and needs to retconned asap for the sake of our sanity! =P

    I remember the original AOW3 announcement trailer mentioning 2000 years had passed after SM. I guess for whatever reason they decided that was a bit too much and this is how they now change 2 thousand years to 2 hundred? Maybe 2000 years of timeline was a bit too much to fill 😛

    I think a list of those from the previous games who entered the gates would be nice, atm its like a dark hole for you to just throw anyone in ou want to get rid of.

    Agreed, some of the shrines to these wizards in the game even depict wizards that should have been gone forever after the event of AOW2 and SM (Yaka, Mab).

    150 YC – The Mending

    Ok, now that we have been given the reasoning and lore behind the event i can say this is the stupidest part of the story and this hurts me so much as its such a huge part of the high elven backstory.

    So basically the mending is a giant brain washing event …. the High Elves (including Julia) are evil as fudge! “come watch us make babies and you will love each other again (aka dark elves wont want to kill any/everything that they disagree with and enjoy being above ground again!)”

    This needs to be rewritten imo.

    Hey, it’s magic!

    Really, Mr. Hunter/Killer, you are over-analysing this simple timeline ;p

    #81598

    Nosphoros
    Member

    Still the ingame race description of all races is the same as in shadow magic, nothing mentions anything about reunion of the elves. Also How can Meandor be the father of Sundren and Thannis, when he isnt on Athla?

    The armies of Meandor sack Sunbirth City. Strangely they do not kill anyone who retreats, allowing them to leave in peace and take what they can. He clears the land around the city, and then drives his forces into the Last Shadowgate. Julia invites the refugees to her realm, where there are supplies for their subsistence. Before the Ruling Synod can react to Meandor’s treachery, Merlin destroys the Wizard’s Circle in Evermore. He channels the power of the destruction through his Wizard’s Tower in the Sunbirth Citadel: in a huge cataclysm the last Shadowgate is destroyed. The Shadow Realm is sealed off from the world of Athla

    Somehow illogical at all. The lore is important for me in all fantasy games, without it, its just a soulless game, but patching it together to explain design decisions is a bit soulless too, at least for me.

    #81601

    Karion
    Member

    Maybe because he is not the father at all?? Just the dark creepy uncle? Saridas is the father.

    #81614

    Hawkro
    Member

    Cool timeline, thanks Triumph for releasing this. We AOW lore fans really appreciate it.

    #81619

    Nosphoros
    Member

    Sorry My bad, but nonetheless, why is the racial description still the same as in AoW SM ? and why do we have no unit which resembles the dark elves at all?

    Undead just disapeared and archons remain as undead, naaah

    Dont misunderstand me, I like this game, but I am disappointed about the diversity of races. It was one of the greatest strengths in the series , to have so many races. Also the “lore” doesnt mention the nomads and halflings.
    And of course Tigrans are just disappeared , in a blink of an eye …. sorry but that isnt satisfying.

    It is like in one of my other favorite Series, Disciples, when they decided to cut out dwarves and undead in the third installment. It doenst felt right , like here.

    Plus all races are feeling alike, no big differences, the only differences are in the fantasy and lore. No alignment or racial difference is made, just the classes differ. In AoW and SM you had differences even in technical units, like some could do canons, some ballistas or catapults. Then there was allways the alignment thing, evil and good , you needed forces to hold the cities.

    There are many flaws, which are just patched into the lore to cover design decisions. Its still my oppinion.

    #81620

    Still the ingame race description of all races is the same as in shadow magic, nothing mentions anything about reunion of the elves. Also How can Meandor be the father of Sundren and Thannis, when he isnt on Athla?

    Meandor isn’t their father, he’s their uncle. Saridas is their father… I thought that was pretty obvious. As for the reunion that’s mentioned in just about everything about elves. From the campaign to a few of their units, like the Union Guards. Have you really missed all of it?

    As for units looking like Dark Eleven that’s true, but there are plenty of Dark Elven heros and your own ability to make a Dark Elf as well.

    On another note um going to have a hard time forgiving Julia for killing Merlin. I shall show her no more quarter when she’s an enemy.

    *Edit*
    As for the lack of races, if I recall a lot of that had to do with a lack of time and resources. I have very little doubt they’ll com back slowly but there is a huge difference between making sprites and 3D, fully animated models.

    #81634

    Sifer2
    Member

    The explanations on the disappearance of races is so vague it’s kind of funny. So the Archons left to fight some endless Holy War beyond the shadowgate. Ok gotcha.

    What about the Frostlings? Oh they were driven into the north. Not gonna look for them it’s cold up there. They probably make toys for Santa yeah let’s go with that.

    The Tigran? They just disappeared no one knows why. Who cares about a bunch of furries anyway?

    Alright then at least i’m sure we know what happened to Frodo, and the gang right? Yeah they were all slaughtered one day. By who for why? We wont bore you with the details.

    #81662

    Hawkro
    Member

    Yeah, the disappearances of races are pretty vague and not very satisfying, but I am sure that Triumph will explain what REALLY happened to the missing races in time, and I am sure that most of them will be back. Triumph just needed some excuses for why they weren’t in the game. Still, would like a little information regarding why the Tigrans just left, or why the Halflings were massacred. They at least gave us details for the Frostlings.

    #81665

    elric
    Member

    Cool update. I really need to find time and finish up the campaigns to put things in context. It also looks like there are hints of huge events to follow in an expansion or the fourth part 🙂

    #81677

    Sen
    Member

    Great! Finally came though, what is the universe where we spend many more battles. Left is to put in a book of miracles. It is waiting for an update with option to disable observing multiplayer tactical combat between other players.

    #81718

    Age of Wonders has always had a long history of races popping up and then mysterious disappearing. In AoW II the Wizard’s Throne, you learn that Nimue, always a bit cracked, drowned her children, the Lizardmen. And Yaka forsook the Azracs. You’ll just have to see if the gods behind the Triumph Studios Logo are merciful… and hear the petitions of those who wish to see the return of their favorite races… I’ve heard murmurings that these gods are not without feeling. 😀

    Ham Binger

    #81719

    Draxynnic
    Member

    Interesting… it seems that the claim that thousands of years had passed was only true from Merlin’s perspective. For everyone else, it’s been two and a half centuries – which explains why technological progress has been relatively slight.

    Nice to see the full timeline!

    A huge issue i have is related to something that is so important to the lore and that is how much repetition we see with people searching for the mending – and then all of a sudden the answer comes out of nowhere, but i will talk about that event down below.

    Rather than address it each time it comes up:

    The distinction, I think, is that after Shadow Magic the two sides of the elven race had reconciled and even formed an alliance, but were still seperate. The Mending reunited them entirely.

    Consider the history of US-UK relations, for instance. The US split from the UK in a violent war, and for a few generations the US aligned itself with geopolitical blocs opposed to the UK (although it was a fairly minor power back then, so for Britain this was more of a minor irritation – the War of 1812 is regarded as a sideshow outside of North America if people know about it at all). By the world wars, though, the US had decided it had more in common with Britain than Britain’s enemies, and nowadays the two are probably each other’s strongest allies.

    The Mending, however, would be the equivalent of the US and the UK joining into a single political entity again, except even more so. Much bigger than any simple reconciliation and alliance.

    Also, the Orcs, Draconians, Tigrans and Frostlings only say no to joining a new government, thats all. Maaaany factions were not ruled by the Wizard Kings or Wizards of Evermore i.e. the human lords that were mentioned many times in the previous games. Why would they instantly go into war mode with each other.. even if they aimed the giant FU cannons at each other.. i see no reason why it would spark hostilities (based on this timeline of events!)

    Humans got smacked down pretty hard by the wizards between AoW1 and AoW2 – Julia opposed this, but wasn’t strong enough on her own to stop this. In Wizard’s Throne, I think it’s said that Merlin was the ruler of the last independent human kingdom, which fell to Yaka before the campaign started (although it was reformed early in the campaign).

    Events of WT and between WT and SM evidently granted them greater independence and the ability to form the core of the Phobian Empire, but that was ruled by wizardry and was brought down by a coalition of wizards, so presumably wizardry was employed in climate control afterwards.

    As for whatever groups were completely independent of wizards beforehand – many of those would probably have seen the fall of the wizards, involving the loss of powerful protectors in the form of the wizards as well as the social upheaval from the knock-on effects, as a weakness to exploit in a bid to gain new territory themselves. Particularly if they’d been jealously looking at the fertility of wizard-ruled lands and didn’t realise that fertility had also been compromised.

    Also, why was this random city in a new area of the map made the capital? An area of the map we have never seen before… Definitely something that needs to be fleshed out more.

    Stronghelm isn’t so new. I suspect it was named something different in the time of Shadow Magic, though, but the site is not without its history.

    Erm… elves have known humans for a looooong time already. Just have a look at the original timeline for 1, WT and SM. Surely elves know about the impatience of humans by now … honestly this is just another pointless event atm.

    You’re assuming a human view of things. To the elves, we’re looking at… about the time it takes to go through the stages of grief, it seems.

    Some of the elves, particularly ex-Keepers, probably have an idea of what the difference between elven and human lifespans means for governance, but to a greater or lesser extent most of elf-human history has been in conflict. Genuine elven experts at the fall of the Phobian Empire were probably about as common as genuine experts on Germany among the Allies in 1945, and there it took three years to realise that reverting Germany to an agrarian subsistence economy just wasn’t going to work and for the unjustified and ridiculously punishing plans put into place immediately post-war to be replaced by the Marshall Plan… and that was with both natural human urgency and the added impetus of the oncoming Cold War.

    I suspect the elves had probably figured out some of the obvious things like waiting ten or twenty years to grant a license to have children, but we’re talking about a race that doesn’t think much about taking ten, or twenty years to think on any decision where lives aren’t at stake. I could easily see the elves having realised that they can’t afford to take decades to come to a decision, but seeing five years as a reasonable compromise – when that’s still an awfully long time for a human farmer waiting for permission to clear a field.

    Within this 200 years of supposed unprecedented peace, how can the frostling event take place? Especially without any warning or relevant foreshadowing.

    Even with the Cold War and the recent Ukraine crisis, the time since 1945 has been unprecedented peace for Europe – there have been tensions, there have been some squabbles, there has been genocide, but there are no major wars as Europe had been used to having every generation or two. This may be a similar thing – since the fall of Inioch’s court until the end of Shadow Magic, the Blessed Continent had been gripped by conflicts that would not be unfair to describe as apocalyptic. The frostling war, the halfling massacre, the upheavel after the fall of the gates… bad, but not as bad as undead or shadow demons depopulating entire regions and wizards unleashing the forces of creation upon one another.

    That said, this probably could have used being put in context, unless it’s deliberately meant to read as Commonwealth propaganda (yes, we have our problems, but everyone’s a lot better off now than in the Dark Ages before the Commonwealth was founded, really!)

    I think a list of those from the previous games who entered the gates would be nice, atm its like a dark hole for you to just throw anyone in ou want to get rid of.

    Also a little unrelated to events between the 2 games but a list of deceased wizards during the events of each game would be nice (i.e. Mab being devoured by shadow demons)

    From my experience with game companies: Not going to happen. They like to keep anything that isn’t important now open, so that if at some stage they decide that it’d make a good story for it to turn out that Ambir is in the Shadow Realm and Anon has been living as a hermit on a mountain in the desert, they’re not shackled by previous lore stating that Ambir died of old age after the destruction of the Cirle and Anon lead the archons into the Shadow Realm.

    Ok so the gates are all closed/destroyed. If its that easy, why on earth did Merin blow up evermore… this needs to be explained. You cant just say “yea in between the games something was found and they did this because… yea…”

    I suspect that may be exactly the question that the people who demanded Merlin’s head were asking.

    I do have a theory, though. It was already established that there’s a connection between wizardry and shadow portals. Additionally, it’s possible that the Sunbirth Citadel portal was the ‘primary’ portal, and the others were, essentially, subsidiary portals. This would mean that the other portals could be closed reasonably easily, but to isolate Athla entirely requires considerably more effort. Destroying the Wizard’s Circle gave Merlin the power to do that, while additionally removing the possibility of the Wizard’s Circle facilitating a second invasion, thereby killing two birds with one stone.

    That’s just my theory, though.

    What the hell does that mean?? Remains? Are they plagued by a plague of brigands? Disease? War? Did someone lure them away with a lot of milk? Did they go looking for Yaka not knowing he is either dead or in the void/shadow world (Drax, what happened to Yaka? Your the man to ask ^_^)

    I’m… pretty sure Yaka is in the Shadow World. My full reasons for thinking so, and speculations as to his exact current status, are probably best not stated on a public forum this soon after release because spoilers.

    What I can probably say, though, is to note that Merlin probably had to show a reasonable amount of leniency to the conspirators despite their many crimes and betrayals in order to keep the Wizard’s Circle going for as long as he kept it going, in order to maintain the balance between the spheres (some he could probably replace but not all, and since the Circle wizards seem to epitomises different aspects of a sphere even when they share one, he might not even be able to do that without creating an imbalance. Conquering new worlds in the Shadow Realm is probably something that would have appealed to the militaristic Yaka, and that would also explain why the tigrans that remained loyal to him might no longer be on Athla. The “remains”, then, are probably those that were not loyal to Yaka.

    Is this the reasoning behind why half the map is unclaimed territory? Including the once strong and proud capital of elven kind. I would of assumed Iniochs throne city to have a strong elven presence no matter what, instead of it being the meeting point under the control of an orc druid .. what is going on lol.

    My suspicion here is that the territory in between essentially became a ‘buffer zone’ – the inhabitants being careful not to declare too strongly to either side in case that provokes a hostile response from the other. It’s possible that formally those territories are still part of the Commonwealth, but because of the Court acting as a balancing force, the Commonwealth isn’t able to fully exercise power there. The Valley of Wonders did maintain an elven population, and being left unclaimed by the elves is probably a political and strategic decision – it’s too close to the Commonwealth’s central territories to be safe as a seat of power, it’s already fallen multiple times, and claiming it could be seen by other races as a sign of an intention to reassert Elven rule. Sylvanus, as a capital that has always been elven except when it fell to the undead in AoW1, is a safer choice. In Gamblag’s case… it’s probably that he was seen as someone who both sides trusted to be impartial.

    Why do they want to see Merlin? Because he is the leader of evermore? Sure he is the best wizard atm but he holds little to no control over the commonwealth of wizards which surely would help a lot more than a single OP wizard. Julia would of been the go to woman.

    Then they continue to call the Commonwealth lazy and just leave… made no sense.

    They probably felt that the message had been delivered to someone who had as much chance of achieving anything as they would be staying, and that it was more important to go back to fighting. It seems that it’s become pretty dire for them.

    I was 99.999% sure that they are crypts, not cities. The burial grounds of Archons on Athla and once the magics left the land they rose as undead? Some conformation on this would be nice (before the Archon expansion if possible lol)

    I have a suspicion as to what’s actually happened here but, again, spoilers. Poke me on Steam if you really want to know my suspicions there. 😛

    Although brief, this was a nice event. Would be nice if this could be fleshed out more. I see this being a mini campaign though tbh, 2-4 small-medium maps would be amazing.

    This comes up in the first Commonwealth scenario. I will neither confirm nor deny whether it gets built on from there in the currently released campaign.

    Im fine with the teaser, even though its hard to believe. But .. really you guys are evil.. keeping me in suspense mode for the epic hairy footed halflings 🙁 Which i probably wont see until the release of the next hobbit movie (fantastic release synergy! lol)

    It’s particularly interesting since that might be elven territory – I know the Heartwood is an existing place on the map, but can’t remember off the top of my head if it was in AoW1 (and therefor to the west of the current map), SM (and thus east) or TWT (no explicit map and having to figure out locations through context and AoW1 references). If it’s to the east, it’s probably CW territory – nearly the entirety of the SM map is.

    #81721

    Weltenreiter
    Member

    Meandor be the father of Sundren and Thannis

    Age of Thrones?

    #81727

    Draxynnic
    Member

    Sorry My bad, but nonetheless, why is the racial description still the same as in AoW SM ? and why do we have no unit which resembles the dark elves at all?

    If you read the racial description for the Dark Elves, it basically comes across as if the entire dark elf race is basically the result of a large population of Elves suffering from cases of PTSD so strong that members of most races would die from it. The description of ‘Elves’ is basically what the default mindset of elves is, and it’s a plot point a few times that yes, the light elves are in fact the elven default state (there’s a scenario in AoW1 where the dark elves reach the first city of elves on Athla expecting to find allies, and are shocked and disappointed to find the elves there to be much like their enemies of Sylvanus and Aldor).

    The main effect of the Mending was basically to cure this case of PTSD. There is precedent for this – magic from Evermore was used to cure dark elven prisoners at the Isle of Last Goodbyes in the elven AoW1 campaign. The distinction is that now a significant portion of the Dark Elves were ready to accept it, rather than at the isle where only a small number were healed by force. As a result, there are cultural holdovers from the Dark Elves – the High Elves are a bit more vicious on average than the light elves were before, and the Initiates and Storm Sisters are a carry-over from the Cult of Storms – but when push comes to shove, the High Elves are much closer to the old Elves, and with good reason.

    That said, Triumph has given a lot of ways for the Dark Elves to return. There’s Meandor’s army, and now there’s Hester’s breakaway faction, and Arachne is also unaccounted for.

    #81735

    vfxrob
    Member

    A good read!

    So…. what happened to the other wizards.

    #81762

    Mediin
    Member

    I prefer to experience things like that rather in the game instead of a book or a website to read through, because that way, people just spoiler a lot of what could be future story content.

    But nonetheless, it’s neat.

    #81779

    Draxynnic
    Member

    I see what you mean, but this is the sort of stuff that most reasonably educated people in Athla probably know, although it might be viewed through a filter of nationalistic propaganda. Hiding things that are common knowledge because they might spoil a storyline that may or may not happen later is a bit silly. Furthermore, I’d be fairly confident that anything that happened before the destruction of the Wizard’s Circle is unlikely to be made as an AoW3 campaign, since if wizardly magic is still powerful, we’d probably be looking at AoW2 mechanics.

    For the rest… we’ve been given hints but few actual details. What I see is more akin to a series of hooks than any actual spoilers. If, for instance, they later make a scenario or campaign for the Tigran exodus or the Halfling massacre, that’ll be a case of “oh, yeah, I saw that in the timeline, now we can find out what actually happened” rather than “what was that again?”

    #81858

    hatifnat
    Member

    Great read Ray!

    Could you also let us know the fate of Nomads and ‘traditional’ Necromancers – as these races are not mentioned in the timeline?

    #81860

    Please tell me a book is coming? I would not mind buying a big book chronicling the events from the first of age wonders to the third one.

    #81876

    Akatosh86
    Member

    i’m absolutely fine with this timeline.

    what’s confusing is the timegap between the events of AoW1 , AoW2 and AoW:SM.
    if Julia scended on her throne during the events of AoW1, it’s logical to assume that there have been approximately 8-9 centuries since humanity’s arrival on the Blessed continent. so many different calendars are also confusing (Lord Inioch’s reign, Queen Julia’s reign, YC), but i guess they give some flavor too.

    #82037

    Ericridge
    Member

    Phobian Empire…. So an empire full of people suffering from phobias of all forms? No wonder why it didn’t last x.x

    #82164

    Draxynnic
    Member

    Named after it’s emperor Phobius, actually – but he got into power by playing up on fears regarding magic and magical creatures. Despite being a wizard himself – he made the claim that he and his henchmen needed to use it to fight fire with fire, but instituted a pogram against anyone or anything else with magic.

    One of the contributing factors was a correlation between magical sites and Shadow encroachment.

    #82199

    Zozma
    Member

    The explanations on the disappearance of races is so vague it’s kind of funny. So the Archons left to fight some endless Holy War beyond the shadowgate. Ok gotcha.

    What about the Frostlings? Oh they were driven into the north. Not gonna look for them it’s cold up there. They probably make toys for Santa yeah let’s go with that.

    The Tigran? They just disappeared no one knows why. Who cares about a bunch of furries anyway?

    Alright then at least i’m sure we know what happened to Frodo, and the gang right? Yeah they were all slaughtered one day. By who for why? We wont bore you with the details.

    I agree, to an extent. Large populations are sort of hard to displace, especially when they have established cities. Archons, I feel, are completely justifiable; they’ve got divinity in their blood and have always marched to a larger purpose. Frostlings I can buy, too; they faced hostility and so they receded to their arctic lands that are completely hospitable to them and unbearable to everyone else. Tigrans and halflings, though, have no real reason to act as one unified race, especially without any more wizards to guide them. We’ll see if they get elaborated upon further.

    #82299

    Telenil
    Member

    Wait, Meandor? I didn’t play AoW2, and I got the feeling he was killed at the end of AoW1, alongside Joseph and king Inioch. What did I miss?

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