Dev Journal: About Dragons

Welcome to a new dev journal this time focusing on the race of Dragons and their offspring the Wyverns. We have a bit of Lore from Ray, some concept art, a look at the Dragon’s Peak monster dragon followed by a look at some of the individual units! 

Dragon Origins

IceDragonModelBackground: The Scripture tells of Dragons being the first living beings to appear from the crucible of creation. Each Dragon type to emerge represented one element; ranging from metals, gems to fire and frost. As the raw creational forces started to settle other beings appeared on the world. The Dragons became jealous of these newcomers and started to prey on them. This conflict started the First War of the world, fought between the Dragons and Giantkin. The First War is said to have lasted for millions of years, but was never settled. The Great Flood ended the Age of Giants. Both Dragon and Giantkin numbers dwindled, to make way for the humanoid races.

Today only a few of the powerful Ancient Dragons are known to exist, often living in remote Dragon Peaks. Dragons born after the Age of Giants are called Wyverns, with undeveloped forearms and limited powers compared to their fore fathers. Wyverns and Dragons are hunted down by entire armies for their precious scales and gem and gold loaded hoards that are the dragon’s primary foods. In order to ensure survival of their kind, Dragons turned to powerful wizards to create a more rapidly breeding humanoid subspecies called Draconians, which they hope will one day will replace the humanoid races.

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The Dragons Peak

Dragons and Wyvern live on Dragon’s Peak, the highest level Monster Dwelling, often found at remote locations in the game world. Trying to conquer a Dragon’s Peak by force early on in the game is suicide. But completing the Dragons’ perilous quests grant high rewards, such as Wyvern Eggs. These eggs hatch after a number of turns to, providing a highly coveted wyvern mount for your Heroes. For more on the interaction with these monster dwellings, check the recently release Gamescom Video.

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Dragon Types

FireDragon

Fire Dragon: “The desperate folk knew the risks; but the earth was fertile and they had nothing. Within two generations, they were all wealthy for the number of their flocks and herds, bounteous harvest and clean water. It’s all gone now. The mountain did not erupt. It gave birth to something worse. A dragon of ancient days has returned to claim these lands. Its breath left their homes in heaps of ash. It consumed the livestock and villagers alike. What treasure they once had, now belongs to the beast.”–“The Fire Dragon of Cinder Mountain”, Dirk Slate, Commonwealth Claims Investigator

FrostDragon

Frost Dragon: “Beginners in the dragon slaying business should start with a frost dragon. They are strong flyers, but their brittle frosty scales are susceptible to fire attacks or the blunt strike of a good dragon slayer. Of course there’s a technique to learn and their frosty breath will freeze you solid if you don’t prepare. I’ve lost count of the number of blue-skinned hunters I’ve had to chisel out of glaciers because they had no extra protection from the cold.”–“Fortune Hunter”, Connor Jens, Dragon Slayer

ObsidianDragon

Obsidian Dragon: “Of all dragons, most coveted among those I hunt, are Obsidian Dragons. Their scales are more precious than jewels. I remember the first time I hunted one, the creature attacked at night, but day or night you won’t see it coming without magic. It doused our camp with its inky breath that made us all as weak as kittens. We hid, but it spotted us and slew every hunter. I survived only because a wandering Halfling fell into a well. In attempting to fish him out, in my weakened state, I fell in myself. The dragon could not reach us down the narrow shaft.”–“Fortune Hunter”, Connor Jens, Dragon Slayer

BoneDragon

Bone Dragon: “Despise me if you must, but I live in truth. My way is your way. Even the mightiest immortals fail, and all that remains are the fragments of the greatest lie, the lie called “life”. We are but puppets to the spinning darkness, and my might bone dragon rises to play that role, until the end of days. Mightiest of all undead, let envy be your strength and break the living. Breathe blight upon all that fear and hate and tremble before my beloved mistress Death. Fester. Corrode. All succumb to her call.”—“Shadow Puppets” by Grimber Ambule

GoldDragon

Golden Dragon: “Shadowy twitching corpses surrounded us. I prayed in despair, knowing our corpses would soon join the Necromancer’s army. Then it appeared. The Embodiment of hope! The Golden Dragon burned through the blackness with its fiery breath. Fierce and aware of every enemy no matter how it attempted to sneak up from behind. The Necromancer launched waves of wicked magic that the dragon shrugged off. Its fangs and claws shredded hundreds of undead. We charged in, joining the fight, suddenly inspired by the very honor that we had a moment to fight alongside this noble creature.” – “Second Death” by Derek Shipley, Crusader

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  • #10079

    jimmy
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    Welcome to a new dev journal this time focusing on the race of Dragons and their offspring the Wyverns. We have a bit of Lore from Ray, some concept a
    [See the full post at: Dev Journal: About Dragons]

    #10084

    HellBrick
    Moderator

    <whining>
    I liked the previous main font a lot more =( Going from sans-serif to serif decreased readability a lot; and letters “e”, “U” and “t” are particularly awful.
    </whining>

    #10085

    BlaneckW
    Member

    While my usual statement would be that I don’t care about graphics, I do like the style, of wasteland terrain in particular.

    #10086

    TheSpeaker
    Member

    Yay dragons. I actually really like the new font.

    Urban concealment sounds interesting. Urban is a new terrain type? So the hexes outside of cities then, I’m guessing?

    Also, why does the Golden Dragon have 2 instances of “Golden Dragon Inspiration” in the character sheet?

    #10089

    Red Key
    Member

    Dragons FTW! The new font is good. TheSpeaker asked all the questions I had.

    #10091

    NEHZ
    Member

    while(amountOfDragons < infinite) {
    moreDragonsPlease();
    }

    Urban concealment sounds interesting. Urban is a new terrain type? So the hexes outside of cities then, I’m guessing?

    I’m guessing the ones inside the of cities.

    Edit: did my joke break the forum? My post is being listed way too high up the list.
    Edit2: nvm, it’s normal now.

    #10094

    Red Key
    Member

    Edit: did my joke break the forum? My post is being listed way too high up the list.
    Edit2: nvm, it’s normal now.

    Mine did the same thing. My post appeared in the middle of the previous posts then appeared at the end after I edited it. I see the quote button is back. 🙂

    #10095

    I like new fonts.
    And i like obsidian dragons. Is weaker than the golden one, and i suspect even of fire and death one, but it as this stealthy abilities. Even if i espected a rock made dragon to have more defense than everybody else.

    I wonder if wyverns retain the concealment abilities… i can just imagine what tremedous effect could have parties of conceleable, flyng units…

    edit: my post too appeared in the middle of the discussion…

    #10097

    Tomipapa
    Member

    I love the sneaky Dev Journals! 😀
    The dragons look beautiful, and each of them have unique appeararnce not just different colors.And those descriptions oh boy, i cant wait to read all of them! 😀

    #10098

    Brother JO
    Member

    While I actually liked the dragons’ style mostly,on the other hand that gold dragon seriously needs more golden scales and a better head, bro.Not sure what’s wrong with head, but something’s wrong. Maybe the problem is horn’s placement and size.It looks more demon head than dragon head.

    The other thing I noticed is I can easily say golden dragon is easily superior to obsidian dragon.Look at the stats bro :

    Golden dragon has +30 hp +1 armor +3 resistance more than Obsidian Dragon.

    For that much stat superiority obsidian dragon needs to have lightning breath or something that disables enemies. Even with lightning breath I’m not actually sure obsidian dragon can compete with golden dragon though.I think all dragons should be nearly equal to each other in power.

    Edit: WTF? Why my post is in the middle?

    Well, it returned to it’s right place after I edited it 😛

    #10101

    Tomipapa
    Member

    WhileNot sure what’s wrong with head, but something’s wrong. Maybe the problem is horn’s placement and size.It looks more demon head than dragon head.

    I like the head. Imo its not demonic its more like “my head grown this big because im the king of the dragons”.

    #10102

    Brother JO
    Member

    I like the head. Imo its not demonic its more like “my head grown this big because im the king of the dragons”.

    I still think head should be more… hmmm how to say it… Look at AoW1 image of gold dragon and black dragon. While black dragon looks totally badass , gold dragon looks a bit cute(ish) maybe? or something like that.

    Edit: Edit for greater justice! and to return post to it’s position lol 😛

    #10104

    Tomipapa
    Member

    I still think head should be more… hmmm how to say it… Look at AoW1 image of gold dragon and black dragon. While black dragon looks totally badass , gold dragon looks a bit cute(ish) maybe? or something like that.

    Yeah the AoW 1 gold dragon was a bit cute. And thats why i love the new look of the golden dragon. Just because golden dragon has a good alignment it doesnt have to look like something who could barely harm anything. And this new one looks like someone who can give some punishment. Also his face has some kind of noble and majestic look what the obsidian or other dragons lack, it clearly shows me that he is “above the rest”.

    The other thing I noticed is I can easily say golden dragon is easily superior to obsidian dragon.Look at the stats bro :

    Golden dragon has +30 hp +1 armor +3 resistance more than Obsidian Dragon.

    For that much stat superiority obsidian dragon needs to have lightning breath or something that disables enemies. Even with lightning breath I’m not actually sure obsidian dragon can compete with golden dragon though.I think all dragons should be nearly equal to each other in power.

    Im quite happy that dragons actually differ in stats and abilities not just +2 attack or +5 hp. Ok that +30hp sounds great but im sure the obsidian has some nasty things too(we just dont see it because of the scrolled down bar). Also probably the golden dragon is the stronges but the rarest at the same time. Like the yeti in the giants keep. It has the best abilities among the demi giants but its also the rarest type.

    #10107

    Brother JO
    Member

    Im quite happy that dragons actually differ in stats and abilities not just +2 attack or +5 hp. Ok that +30hp sounds great but im sure the obsidian has some nasty things too(we just dont see it because of the scrolled down bar). Also probably the golden dragon is the stronges but the rarest at the same time. Like the yeti in the giants keep. It has the best abilities among the demi giants but its also the rarest type.

    The thing is, 30 hp difference is too much, with obsidian dragon being 80 hp even Horned God will laugh with his arse when he meets obsidian dragon. Obsidian dragon nearly looks like tier 3 except for his armor and resistance.

    #10109

    while(amountOfDragons < infinite) {
    moreDragonsPlease();
    }

    Yes, yes, Yes Yes, YES!!!!!!!!

    Woot Dragons! Scaly winged death slaughtering all before them! I’m glad to see that the greatest of the Fantasy Beasts (sorry Krakens) has been done right. On a lower level of nerd happiness, I like the new font.

    As to the Head of the Golden Dragon: I could see the horns being narrowed slightly, or divided in two, so that they converged into a type of golden crown.

    And I think that the Obsidian Dragon (very great name change, by the way) with all its willy concealment is more than enough to meet a different tactical role than that of the hope kindling, hyper-slaughter Lord that the Golden Dragon serves.

    Think of it as a Dragon Batman: It is the night (probably vengeance), and is tricky, but will still kill the shit out of everything that isn’t the highest level in straight up combat.

    #10111

    Brother JO
    Member

    And I think that the Obsidian Dragon (very great name change, by the way) with all its willy concealment is more than enough to meet a different tactical role than that of the hope kindling, hyper-slaughter Lord that the Golden Dragon serves.

    Unfortunately, AI has control over Eye of Sauron in Mordor, which sees everything 😛

    Think of it as a Dragon Batman: It is the night (probably vengeance), and is tricky, but will still kill the shit out of everything that isn’t the highest level in straight up combat.

    Still all the concealment and tricks doesn’t compensate that huge 30 hp, even if obsidian dragon had a disabling breath like frost dragon’s ice breath I doubt it would keep up with that hp difference.

    #10114

    11balanced
    Member

    I like the asymmetry in gold and obsidian dragons stats and abilities. But still obsidian dragon lacks protections (gold one has 100% protection from fire, blight and spirit).

    I also hope there will be more of dispersion in units stats (like mp of dwarves vs humans and defense of priests vs ironclads) – now there is no difference or it’s negligibly low. Sorry for off-top )

    PS post, go down!

    .. and I like golden dragon head, quite organic IMO..

    #10117

    11balanced
    Member

    BTW, if I take the dragon peak, what type of dragons can I have in my army? Does it depend on my ‘background’ or there is a choice or it’s fixed in the map editor?

    Go down )

    #10119

    <whining><br>
    I liked the previous main font a lot more =( Going from sans-serif to serif decreased readability a lot; and letters “e”, “U” and “t” are particularly awful.<br>
    </whining>

    100% agreed, nice to see another person add a logical reason as to why this font is just bad.

    It CAN look better to some people, but it DOES annoy many others.
    Better to play it safe and try to choose a neutral font that is easily legible by the entire audience over pleasing those (few?) who want a fancy pants font 😛

    I actually really like the new font.

    No, bold! 😛

    And those descriptions oh boy, i cant wait to read all of them! :D

    The more and more i see of these, the more i really hate them. I dont think they are boring or anything like that … but i massively prefer a description to a short story that could, lets face it, in many cases could be applied to any number of different units.

    I know its a definite feature, but its something i can see being modded within days of release (by myself and other avid forumers/players! :P)

    In regards to the Obsidian dragon debate:

    It doused our camp with its inky breath that made us all as weak as kittens.

    Evidently this guys attacks dont stun – they weaken and it sounds like an AoE. That could mean a lot of things, but even if the gold dragon has double hp, double resistance, double sex appeal, double wing span, whatever .. it means very little when his atk, mp, res, def and/or hp are reduced by the main/secondary “black goo” attack of this bad ass! 😀

    silly forum is still sending posts all over the show 😛

    #10122

    Tomipapa
    Member

    The more and more i see of these, the more i really hate them. I dont think they are boring or anything like that … but i massively prefer a description to a short story that could, lets face it, in many cases could be applied to any number of different units.

    I like them because these stories are unique.Imo its much better if we see for example the description of the obsidian dragons through the eyes of a dragon slayer who survived an encounter with one, then the usual ” obsidian dragons are evil dragons bla bla living in a dragon peek bla bla they love to eat poor people bla bla and they serve evil wizards bla bla. Because although described with different words the description of a black/obsidian dragon is nearly the same in every fantasy game/book.

    #10124

    Red Key
    Member

    Will Draconians have a diplomacy bonus with dragon peaks? Seems like they would because of their relation to dragons and the dragons’ hope draconians will replace the other humanoid races.

    I like the asymmetry in gold and obsidian dragons stats and abilities. But still obsidian dragon lacks protections (gold one has 100% protection from fire, blight and spirit).

    I agree obsidian dragons should have some protections.

    edit: Down post! Down!

    #10126

    vfxrob
    Member

    The red dragons image looks awesome! Oh and happy with the look of the dragon models! Can we still drain their will away!?!

    My plan is to have the set of 5 compete with my hero on a drake mount, Then its off to take back my kingdom! So excited for this damn game.

    #10127

    I agree obsidian dragons should have some protections.

    Being strong, fast, flying and invisible not good enough for ya? Emphasis on invisible, imagine the havoc that thing can wreak in multiplayer.

    So many concealments. Are you guys planing on having an “invisibility” ability if for no other reason than to make the ability list shorter for units that are supposed to have every type of concealment?

    #10128

    ignatius
    Member

    IMO the golden dragons seems to be bronze dragons, they should be more yellow and shiny like in others AoW.

    #10129

    vota dc
    Member

    Description make appear Frost Dragon weaker than Bone Dragon, at least against a human, could be because Bone Dragon should be difficult to hit with arrows or because Frost Dragon is really weak.

    If wyverns don’t breath fire/frost/blight then obsidian kind could be the best.

    About Obsidian Dragon he may have lower stats but remember that he is urban because urban concealment so he can also pick a lock, teach history and summon Clementine.

    #10139

    Tomipapa
    Member

    Being strong, fast, flying and invisible not good enough for ya? Emphasis on invisible, imagine the havoc that thing can wreak in multiplayer.

    So many concealments. Are you guys planing on having an “invisibility” ability if for no other reason than to make the ability list shorter for units that are supposed to have every type of concealment?

    Agree. I have a feeling that this “poor” obsidian dragon might cause more trouble in multiplayer than the golden one. 😀

    #10141

    TheSpeaker
    Member

    I really like Red Key’s idea of the Draconians having a diplomacy bonus with the Dragon Peak. Is that possible to do?

    The High Elves should probably have a bonus with the fairy shee, and the dwarves should have a bonus with the giant’s keep. Maybe each race should lean a bit more toward one dwelling or another to even it out, though I suppose that’s for the balance department to look into.

    #10142

    Brother JO
    Member

    I really like Red Key’s idea of the Draconians having a diplomacy bonus with the Dragon Peak. Is that possible to do?

    The High Elves should probably have a bonus with the fairy shee, and the dwarves should have a bonus with the giant’s keep. Maybe each race should lean a bit more toward one dwelling or another to even it out, though I suppose that’s for the balance department to look into.

    +1

    Also humans can have better diplomacy bonus with archons, but what of goblins and orcs?

    #10143

    I like them because these stories are unique. … the usual ” obsidian dragons are evil dragons bla bla … Because although described with different words the description of a black/obsidian dragon is nearly the same in every fantasy game/book.

    Ohhh yea man i totally agree with you bud, im not saying turn them into descriptions in the sense “it has 6 toes on its left leg and a hoof for its right leg, and its very very nasty” styled descriptions, nothing like that at all.

    I really enjoy the new system, its great. But its been taken too far, to the point were a lot of the text has nothing to do with the unit in question lol

    I would like a better blend of the story and description. A description of the unit through the eyes of X seems ideal, then you get both interesting story along with the normal stuff we have come to expect.

    I like half of what i read in the descriptions, short storys are great but they go too far imo, lookin at the obsidian one for an example with the bold being the changes

    Current:

    “Of all dragons, most coveted among those I hunt, are Obsidian Dragons. Their scales are more precious than jewels. I remember the first time I hunted one, the creature attacked at night, but day or night you won’t see it coming without magic. It doused our camp with its inky breath that made us all as weak as kittens. We hid, but it spotted us and slew every hunter. I survived only because a wandering Halfling fell into a well. In attempting to fish him out, in my weakened state, I fell in myself. The dragon could not reach us down the narrow shaft.”–“Fortune Hunter”, Connor Jens, Dragon Slayer

    Replaced with:

    “Of all dragons, most coveted among those I hunt, are Obsidian Dragons. They are smaller than their brighter colored kin, but their long black scales are more precious than jewels and always bring a high profit on the black market. I remember the first time I hunted one, our party was too eager to venture out thinking ourselves safe in the cover of the trees, but the creature attacked at nightbut day or night you won’t see it coming without magic. It doused our camp with its inky breath that made us all as weak as kittens. We scattered and in my weakened state i fell down through a halfling well thinking i could make the jump. Luckily the dragon did not notice me down the narrow shaft… or i wasn’t worth the effort of a quick snack. ”–“Fortune Hunter”, Connor Jens, Former Dragon Slayer

    I am not a story writer, and nothing at all compared to the marvelous Ray, but i would prefer this sort of mixed descriptive story telling than a plain story. With a little more descriptions thrown in at the start (dont have a good enough idea what they look like to do aaaany kind of justice :P)
    ps i dont think my version is better and definitely not better written .. but the spam is spread out through details which imo makes for a better read when im here looking to find out about the unit after all 😛

    #10145

    Brother JO
    Member

    Current:

    “Of all dragons, most coveted among those I hunt, are Obsidian Dragons. Their scales are more precious than jewels. I remember the first time I hunted one, the creature attacked at night, but day or night you won’t see it coming without magic. It doused our camp with its inky breath that made us all as weak as kittens. We hid, but it spotted us and slew every hunter. I survived only because a wandering Halfling fell into a well. In attempting to fish him out, in my weakened state, I fell in myself. The dragon could not reach us down the narrow shaft.”–“Fortune Hunter”, Connor Jens, Dragon Slayer

    Replaced with:

    “Of all dragons, most coveted among those I hunt, are Obsidian Dragons. They are smaller than their brighter co loured kin, but their long black scales are more precious than jewels and always bring a high profit on the black market. I remember the first time I hunted one, our party was too eager to venture out thinking ourselves safe in the cover of the trees, but the creature attacked at night… but day or night you won’t see it coming without magic. It doused our camp with its inky breath that made us all as weak as kittens. We scattered and in my weakened state i fell down through a halfling well thinking i could make the jump. Luckily the dragon not notice me down the narrow shaft… or i wasn’t worth the effort of a quick snack. ”–“Fortune Hunter”, Connor Jens, Former Dragon Slayer

    I am not a story writer, and nothing at all compared to the marvelous Ray, but i would prefer this sort of mixed descriptive story telling than a plain story. With a little more descriptions thrown in at the start (dont have a good enough idea what they look like to do aaaany kind of justice )

    Bro I found obsidian dragon’s story a bit odd too.

    True story, bro…

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