Dev Journal: Bone Collector and Deathbringer Units!

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  • #131030

    Garresh
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    Let me get this straight. You mean to tell me we get a female version of The Tall Man, who can phase, backstab, and raise ghouls, while looking both creepy as hell and dangerously stylish?

    Shut up and take my money!

    #131033

    Jolly Joker
    Member

    ´For Xmas, I might add.
    Seriously, people, you are re-inventing a genre here! 🙂

    #131035

    Bone Collector is pure awesome sauce :) . That thing is definitely no more racial than a Dreadnought imho.

    It is far more racial. All the parts had a race before becoming part of something greater. Though that would be an interesting mechanic: The Bone Collector starts with no/one racial trait and can collect the others through “collecting”. That’d make the units grow and improve and add corpse management for a small but discerning reward.

    #131036

    Zaskow
    Member

    ´For Xmas, I might add.<br>
    Seriously, people, you are re-inventing a genre here! :)

    Hope so.

    #131039

    so lemme get this straight in order to turn an enemy into a ghoul under my control i need to curse them with the death bringer then kill them and then win the battle. i guess that sounds fair my only hope is that one of the necro spells is a city spell that curses people in your domain so one does not need to spam the death bringers curses and instead allow the necro to turtle a bit allowing them to grow in power and acting a dungeon of sorts for would be hero’s but with this domain spell every fallen hero just adds to their power i won’t go so far as to ask for a global spell because that would be op but having elite ghouls be able to infect people would be nice and would encourage necro’s to care for them instead of them just being throw away units with little use other than meat shields

    #131042

    terrahero
    Member

    I love it!

    The Deathbringer looks amazing, absolutely amazing. Props to your art team for that one.
    Further, i really like the ability. To infect enemies with the Ghoul plague, after they die and you win, they’re corpses rise for you.
    It might seem very powerful, but thats remains to be seen. Theoretically the Deathbringer could convert multiple enemy units, but there are some extra conditions that need to be met.
    And i use convert deliberately, because anyone who thinks this might be overpowered has to consider we have stuff like Convert and Charm anyway. That transfers the unit from one owner, to the next. This mechanic (and unit) is simply far more fitting of a Necromancer, and also very elegant. I’m guessing tier3, as the Lost Souls are likely tier1 and the Reanimator is tier2.

    The Bone Collector is what i believed the Bone Horror would be. I think of it as Bone Horror mkII. My guess, also a tier3 unit just like the Bone Horror was. We dont know the stats, hard to say anything about its power.
    It could potentially become a beast that snowballs if it gets a lot to feed on, and reanimating itself after a while, is quite powerful. But, keep two things on mine.
    First, we dont know how much health it reanimates with. I doubt its full hitpoints.
    And secondly without such traits like Undying the Undead are actually very bad at attricion.

    Having an army of troops that do not regenerate, need special healing and cannot benefit from standard healing, have a range of spells specifically aimed to counter them, and a few significant weaknesses. That makes for a poor line up if you want to fight attricion warfare.

    I wanted to post about this, about my concern that Undead would actually live up poorly to their kin of olden times, but opted to wait and see. And it seems my concerns were not entirely grounded, as Triumph indeed has plans to cover this.

    Personally i love all of the revealed units so far, and i am looking forward see more.

    Now does Undying work like Resurgence, is what i was wondering. If a unit dies, does it mean we should stall the fight for it to come back to (un)life? Or will it come back upon victory aswell?

    #131044

    tuster
    Member

    I like the concepts very much, well done!

    A remark about the bone horror: excellent concept but I think the 2nd little a arm is too small. If you don’t look closely you read the creature as some kind of bone dragon that walks funny. The crab features would be enhanced if the little arm would be longer and the unit therefor more symmetrical.

    #131046

    Olorin
    Member

    Are you going to include Frostlings in that expansion (DLS)? I think that many guys here would like to see them in the game.

    #131048

    jb
    Member

    Everything looks great so far. Really nice work.

    Are you going to include Frostlings in that expansion (DLS)? I think that many guys here would like to see them in the game.

    A Frostling campaign featuring a Necro leader would hit all the happy buttons.

    #131049

    AwesomeLion
    Member

    Very promising

    #131051

    Hellspirit
    Member

    Will there be one more unit like that awesome reaper from AoW 2 xd?

    #131053

    Kaiosama TLJ
    Member

    Please Triumph, stop doing this. Now I’m hyped for two things instead of one, I need to choose where to spend my money and… Wait, the Terraria 1.3 is going to be free, silly me. 😀

    Anyway, I will comment on the units:

    Deathbringer – Lissandra, is that you? Anyway, I like the art. I can assume that this will be a melee Tier 3 Support unit considering her powers, but one question: Is she going to have Armored? Looks like she wearing an armor to me, unless this armor is made of card stock. 😀

    Bone Collector – That’s diabolical, I like it. Judging by this unit and the Reanimator from the last journal I can see that you guys really are going more for the “use of corpses” theme on the Necromancer rather than simply “zerg” like many games do.

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Sordak wrote:</div>
    Now that you have a unit called Deathbringer, guys, guys, you cant NOT have a Cavalry Unit called Death Dealer

    Ora an axe guy named Death Adder lol!

    Interesting to note that Death Adder had a palletswap named Deathbringer that they put on the Mega Drive/Genesis version to make the game last a bit longer.

    Are you going to include Frostlings in that expansion (DLS)? I think that many guys here would like to see them in the game.

    If a race is going to be introduced in this DLC I would guess it’s more probable to be Dark Elves, because Necromancer is a fitting class for Meandor to come back.

    #131057

    Gloweye
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    Does this curse defeat resurgence?

    Resurgence only works if the original owner wins, curse only works if the original owner loses, cause you otherwise can’t win to get it. So they’re kinda mutually exclusive i gues..

    Also, maybe unpopular, but the Deathbringer could work as a non-racial unit too imho, on account of it having put away all past ties, having died, and then being brought back.

    Nah, like it as a racial one far more. And besides, You gotta have a few of those in there, right?

    Deathbringer – Lissandra, is that you?

    Ice Damage confirmed!

    No, serious, she looks a bit like it. just some more black, less blue..(depending on which Lissandra…)

    #131058

    Not sure i like the massive bone crab. Its the fact that each and everyone of them uses a dragon head as a weapon…. i mean thats kool and all that… but dragons arnt exactly all that common, living or dead!

    More amazing artwork for the necro units.. this will make for an amazing wallpaper in the end 😀

    #131059

    Resurgence only works if the original owner wins, curse only works if the original owner loses, cause you otherwise can’t win to get it. So they’re kinda mutually exclusive i gues.

    to quote from the announcement: ” If the other side wins, the corpses are considered to have been burned.” That might be like explosive death, where resurrect/resurgence won’t work, or disintegrate.

    #131061

    bam65
    Member

    That’s some cool stuff.

    #131062

    If a race is going to be introduced in this DLC I would guess it’s more probable to be Dark Elves, because Necromancer is a fitting class for Meandor to come back.

    Tigrans, because egypt death rites 😛

    #131070

    blindthrall
    Member

    I love that Triumph actually pays attention to their fanbase, it makes the game a collective effort, which is a glorious direction for gaming to go in. This is why I may not buy another new game ever(Wastelands 2 is really the only other contender), and why I wish there were more reasons to throw money at Triumph.

    #131073

    davidtcf
    Member

    how I wish there are Dread Reapers (or at least alike) in AoW3:
    http://aow2.heavengames.com/aowsm/gameinfo/units/undead.shtml

    Tier 4 unit with life stealing and insane stats + pass wall + physical protection.

    #131075

    Usana
    Member

    I’ll admit I am not super fond of the bone collector’s appearance. I don’t mind the more chaotic look in and of itself. But to me it looks less fearsome and more silly with the animated look. Maybe it is how tiny the legs are too the rest of it? Or maybe the legs look too far back? Not sure but something is throwing me for a loop.

    #131076

    Kaiosama TLJ
    Member

    Tigrans, because egypt death rites :P

    Maybe Azracs would be better since they have more impact on the lore compared to Tigrans, and not to mention that they had the Trump of the Dead to begin with, they must have learned some of it’s secrets.

    #131092

    jakjak
    Member

    This body eating/absorbing ability for the Bone Collector sounds very neat but problematic I like the concept but I hope its either a passive ability when you pass within x hexs or a big enough boost to dedicate a turn of not using him as a tank to achieve if not. ie) if an archer/priest (other than human of course) can deal as much as you just gained plus you missed out on a turn of using him for offense well id be disappointed

    The Death Dealers are perfection and sexy besides I would like clarity on the nature of this curse and I dont think this should be the only way to inflict it on enemies though it could be perhaps the most common necro heros for sure should have this ability

    #131094

    Ericridge
    Member

    Bone Collectors…. I can’t wait to give it a spin upon helpless independent villages.

    Deathbringers.. she looks crazy. Must be crazy! Must not anger deathbringer. Must hope she never reads this post.

    #131101

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BLOODYBATTLEBRAIN wrote:</div>
    Bone Collector is pure awesome sauce :) . That thing is definitely no more racial than a Dreadnought imho.

    It is far more racial. All the parts had a race before becoming part of something greater. Though that would be an interesting mechanic: The Bone Collector starts with no/one racial trait and can collect the others through “collecting”. That’d make the units grow and improve and add corpse management for a small but discerning reward.

    That’s a great idea. I meant it’s shouldn’t start as as “Elven Bone Collector” etc etc…

    #131102

    Redbaron
    Member

    Really nice i like the new class design 😀 But i liked the Reaper a lot … lets hope the bone horror is just the T3 😀

    #131103

    Deemonspawn
    Member

    Can I suggest something…
    Ghoul giants: this

    #131104

    terrahero
    Member

    Really nice i like the new class design :D But i liked the Reaper a lot … lets hope the bone horror is just the T3 :D

    Its still possible. It seems they are revealing units from low tier to high tier. And historically the Bone Horror that the Bone Collector seems based on, was a tier3 unit.
    So i’m willing to bet we will see further, higher tier, units. What they will be, i am anticipating their reveal highly. So far the revealed units are pretty amazing, in my opinion.

    I’m just curious if Undying also works as Resurgence.

    #131106

    Deemonspawn
    Member

    Can I suggest something…
    Ghoul giants:

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    #131117

    JPoll
    Member

    This Necro class shapes up to be exactly what I was hoping for. I´m glad you guys are looking into new battle mechanics that are about the use of corpses, because the death are what this class should be about. I sincerely hope you come up with some cool new mechanics on the strategic level as well.

    It is far more racial. All the parts had a race before becoming part of something greater. Though that would be an interesting mechanic: The Bone Collector starts with no/one racial trait and can collect the others through “collecting”. That’d make the units grow and improve and add corpse management for a small but discerning reward.

    +1000 🙂

    #131125

    Epaminondas
    Member

    Going to agree with most in thinking it looks good – and I’d also like to see something resembling return as Dread Reaper to give the Horned God, etc. their run for the money as the scariest class T4 melee/hybrid.

    Any race news? 😉

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