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  • #154721

    AZJaguar
    Member

    Reading through some topics I ran across this one. And I saw the section that this new DLC may or may not be our last seen. :'(

    So here is hoping we can get our think heads together and figure out how to help our friends get the sales they need to hopefully give us another DLC after this one. I love this game too much and being a huge fan of the first 3 AoW and finally saw it came back after sooooo long made me happy again. Hate to see this title pucker out again.

    I got my Father and brother to buy the game and the expansion. After this I am visiting Steam to write a review.

    #154728

    AZJaguar
    Member

    P.S. Dose the sales of the other AoWs also help out???

    #154730

    Sorax
    Keymaster

    Hi AZJaguar,

    Thank you very much, highly appreciated! 🙂 Purchasing the game, writing a review and telling your friends about it is all very helpful!

    Regards,
    Sorax

    #154747

    Charlatan
    Member

    Is that for real? Guess it’s time to rattle up some of the gaming magazines out there. I can’t stand how they keep spamming the same things again and again about games that are worth much less than AOW3, but have more publishing/bribes/overhype/etc.

    #154803

    SikBok
    Keymaster

    Hi AZJaguar,

    Indeed, much appreciated. Thank you for supporting AoW3 & Triumph Studios.

    Like Sorax mentioned, purchasing the game, writing a review and telling you friends are all a great help. So is rating us on Metacritic and mentioning us – where relevant – of forums you frequent.
    Also note that you can rate our DLCs too if you like them.

    To help people find what to where:

    On Steam you can write reviews here:
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/226840
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/299230/?snr=1_5_9__405
    http://store.steampowered.com/app/275560/?snr=1_5_9__405

    On GoG you can write reviews here:
    http://www.gog.com/game/age_of_wonders_3
    http://www.gog.com/game/age_of_wonders_3_deluxe_edition
    http://www.gog.com/game/age_of_wonders_3_golden_realms

    On Metacritic you can rate us here:
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/age-of-wonders-iii
    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/age-of-wonders-iii—golden-realms

    #154820

    AZJaguar
    Member

    Done!

    Done!

    And done!

    Now to buy a copy for my friends.

    Keep going Devs with your awesomeness. 🙂

    #154853

    Teehon
    Member

    That’s what I call Dedication.

    Respect.

    #154859

    Rhaeg
    Member

    Not going to enter the cesspool that is metacritic, but I’ll write something on Steam this weekend and see if I can find a place to promote AOW on the few other game related sites that I visit. Though I’ll have you know I even liked AOW on Facebook, which I never ever do for any ‘product’ whatsoever 😉 Too bad though I hardly have friends that are into in pc games on there :/

    Anyway, hope you people can at least continue supporting this game long enough to create a decent ending for the campaign story, which is sorely lacking IMO. Wouldn’t mind seeing some Tigrans either, or a new race from beyond the shadowgates 😉

    #154872

    Low_K
    Member

    I resurrected (as this is fitting for the coming expansion) my old Age of Wonders Thread on Dakka Dakka.

    It can be found here;

    http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/578540.page

    Hopefully some forumites can reply on it to keep it on top!

    Kind regards,

    Low

    #154896

    The Mentat
    Member

    Not a huge success, but metacritic score went from 7.9 today afternoon to 8.0. 🙂
    I supported with a review there too.

    #154913

    Stormwind
    Member

    I created an account on metacritic just to rate and review for this game.

    #154917

    Ravenholme
    Member

    I created an account on metacritic just to rate and review for this game.

    Likewise.

    Anyway, I intend to write up a review of the new DLC (and one for the base game) when it releases on steam. I’ve already written one up for the Golden Realms.

    #154936

    Asmodeus
    Member

    Steam review – check
    Facebook spam – check
    Shouting at my friends – in progress

    For the greater good.

    #154945

    raygi
    Member

    I created an account on metacritic just to rate and review for this game.

    Me too.

    #154965

    Charlatan
    Member

    All done aswell, tho some points were already done much earlier.

    I think we all agree AOW3 deserves more attention. Popularity will come automatically with that, it won’t fail to impress. We need ideas beyond just telling friends 🙂

    #154984

    comebackhome
    Member

    After being a lurker on the forums for many years, made a forum account/registered and gave positive reviews on all said above links just to show my support for the game/devs. Keep up the good work as it doesn’t go unnoticed.

    #155127

    ninninnin
    Member

    can i get a source on this, i dont wanna freak out just yet

    #155160

    Yelok
    Member

    About user reviews:

    All we know, AoW3 is a good game, all we know AoW3 has a great dev team, all we know upcoming DLC will make AoW3 shine.

    However, in my humble opinion, fanboy reviews are not helping too much with the cause. Talking about me, when I read reviews, I automatically discard 10 and 5- reviews, because they often are not neutral or objective, (I read them when I see a game with several 10´s or 5-´s). And personally, I know at least 8-10 persons which do the same with reviews.

    I repeat, all we want the best for AoW3 and dev team, but, actually, AoW3 is a 7-8 game if we are fair, and all we know that upcoming DLC will raise the mark.

    More neutrality, trust me, AoW3 is a great game by itself, it needs another strategy and more marketing, but the game by itself, does not need non-neutral or non-objective reviews.

    (Not talking about a specific review)

    #155204

    ninninnin
    Member

    AoW3 is a 7-8 game if we are fair

    why i aughta

    #155270

    AZJaguar
    Member

    About user reviews:

    I repeat, all we want the best for AoW3 and dev team, but, actually, AoW3 is a 7-8 game if we are fair, and all we know that upcoming DLC will raise the mark.

    More neutrality, trust me, AoW3 is a great game by itself, it needs another strategy and more marketing, but the game by itself, does not need non-neutral or non-objective reviews.

    When it comes to me and games, I am very picky. If I say it is 10 than that is me being neutral.

    I look at a few things when rating a game.
    1. Good story. No story is just too bland for me.
    2. Repeat play. If I get burned out on a game too fast then what was the point to buy it.
    3. Game mechanics. I do not like them too easy or to difficult to understand.
    4. Dev team that works on it and bugs. If you have a dev team that just does not care about the players then I do not care about the game.

    And I feel that AoW 3 is high in all these categories.

    #155357

    Lennart Sas
    Keymaster

    Thanks everybody for your support. These average user review scores are very important for games nowadays

    High reviews from our core community are very much needed to compensate for unfounded 1/10 reviews on sites like Metacritic …

    #155371

    Stormwind
    Member

    About user reviews:

    I repeat, all we want the best for AoW3 and dev team, but, actually, AoW3 is a 7-8 game if we are fair, and all we know that upcoming DLC will raise the mark.

    This is your opinion, and thats fine. I have a handful of games I would give 10’s to; MoM (from the 90’s), Half Life, Sacrifice, AoW Shadow Magic, Portal, AoW 3. If I gave this a 7 that would imply there are a lot of current games out there I think are better, and frankly there are none.

    #155429

    Yelok
    Member

    Don´t misunderstand me, I´m not saying AoW3 is an average game, what I´m trying to say is don´t confound user experience with game analysis.

    Obviously, if I qualify my user experience with AoW3, hell, I will use only 10. But, if I analyze the game, I got to be neutral and impartial.

    Right now, I see AoW3 with 7 (6 if I´m rigorous) and I´m sure, when next DLC comes up, the mark will be raised to 8 or 8.5 (7 or 7.5 if I´m rigorous) at least.

    If I compare AoW3 with its predecessors, AoW3 is a real precious gem that needs to be polished, because AoW3 has an OVERWHELMING potential, for that reason, I know, I think, I believe AoW3 can improve even more and more and more. If I use the same criteria with games like Civ or EL, I´ll put 6 and 5 (5 and 5 if I´m rigorous) on them.

    #155435

    Fenraellis
    Member

    Obviously, if I qualify my user experience with AoW3, hell, I will use only 10. But, if I analyze the game, I got to be neutral and impartial.

    I would argue this statement has an inherent issue. By what degree, must a game review be objective vs. subjective?

    Once that question is answered, then your statement becomes more relevant. I would say that the location of the review, is a factor in how objective/subjective such a review will be. Also, the position of the user making such a review is a relevant concern.
    Is the individual putting forth this review in such a forum that it is their proper goal to lay out all the details, for better or for worse(even this will have subjectivity present, due to ‘eye of the beholder’ and all that)? Or are they just trying to convince other already interested people what it is that they do specifically appreciate about the game?

    Innately, a review which compares one game to others(even just vaguely) will have subjectivity involved, and can’t be truly objective. After all, how can something be ‘good’, without a ‘bad’ to compare it too? Or ‘better’ without a ‘worse’?

    Ah, sorry for going on a bit of a rant, there.

    Suffice it to say that ‘user experience’ is a critical component of ‘game analysis’ such that a review score can be yielded from any product. After all, something may appear obtuse or poor design, or even intuitive or awesome, but in actual practice be the exact opposite.

    You see this all the time from reviews where the reviewer spent only a few hours trying out a game, and thus didn’t get to view it from all angles for more involved games. Either giving out an erroneous false positive(as is more common, and I’m not going to go into industry corruption here), or even false negatives due to either willful or accidental ignorance of something which confused them.

    #155523

    Dagoth Ur
    Member

    But, if I analyze the game, I got to be neutral and impartial.

    You can’t be neutral and impartial when your describing things as ‘good’ or ‘bad’, ever. What you’re basically doing while lowering a score from 10 to 6-7-8 is saying: “maybe some trivialities should be taken into account more than my gaming experience just because I want to be objective”. So you’re choosing to adjust your vote because you believe that something like objectivity can be achieved here. While in the end it’s all arbitrary; you’re just guessing what might drive other people to lower votes or you’re neglecting your own preferences for the sake of something that can’t be achieved. I don’t think objectivity can ever exist when defining things on a scale of how ‘good’ you think it is, only intersubjectivity; it’s your job to be subjective.

    #155575

    The Mentat
    Member

    Perhaps subjective and objective are not the right words here. I suppose Yelok is referring to the options that a review can be based on a comparison to other games – or on (subjective) criteria. As different games fulfill totally different criteria, it’s probably impossible to find a game that could get a score of 10 in this case.

    (IMO Yeloks criteria are by far too harsh though.)

    #155584

    AZJaguar
    Member

    Yelok, I am curious on how you review something. What do you look at, and how do you measure it? Is there a system or just a point of view at that moment?

    Example how I do things is, (narrow it down to just one subject) Looking at bugs. Are there a lot of bugs or are there few or none. Of course if there are 0 bugs it will get a 10. a few would be like around 7-8 depending on severity, a lot would be 3-4. If it is bug central then 0. Then I look at what is the developers doing about these bugs? If they do nothing at all then I will subtract points from my already estimated points. If they do the bear minimum then will remain the same. If they try hard to fix them then the points I give would go up. If they get the players involved and we know for a fact they tend to fix all the bugs they find and the player base find then the points will go up even more. So if I rated it a 7-8 at first, I look to the future a bit and rate it at that point, so it could wind up being a 9-10 instead.

    I do this cause if I just rate it as a 7-8 when I first do it. Then even after the rating gets better then My rating at that time will be false for those in the future who looks at our review.

    I have done this with AoW 3, yes at first I would have given it a 7. Golden realms increased it. The devs are always working on improving it even more. So at this moment I would give a 8-9. But is this a fair review if I know in the close future the game will be improved even more? How many people will actually go back and change their reviews?

    #155587

    Nyanko
    Member

    The only way to achieve some objectivity regarding the evaluation of a game would be to have it handled by an external entity defining a very specific protocol of evaluation such as ‘Compare all the good comments with the bad comments about the game on some specific gaming websites and condense those to a score’ to establish a classification.

    But by gamers themselves, there will always be some subjectivity involved. That’s why usually, for most games, watching reviews won’t necessarily give you a good insight about whether you will like playing them or not. It will always be your duty to find out about it yourself by simply playing.

    For instance, Endless Legend had some awesome reviews after its launch and I decided to buy it and try. But I don’t like it at all, it just lacks all the stuff I love about AOW3.

    #155598

    SikBok
    Keymaster

    Hi,

    Starting too look like the ‘how to rate games’ discussion is in need of it’s own topic under http://ageofwonders.com/forums/forum/offtopic/.

    My 2cents. Perhaps you can objectively rate a game for how well it’s put together, but rating how fun something is looks like it’s subjective by definition.

    Also – to get back on topic – nothing but straight A’s will do right ; P>

    #155601

    Imho, there is a discussion to be had about first impressions, subject matter knowledge, and time to know a game.

    “Professional” viewers imho are somewhat lacking.

    Certain games make a great first impression, but leave me wanting after an hr or 2. One, recently very highly reviewed game, got 52 hrs of my time sunk into it, because I kept thinking it had to get better. After trying all it’s factions, I just had to conclude it wasn’t the game for me.

    Most reviewers will get maybe half of that done before their review is done.

    I have 1150+ hrs clocked up in Aow3, and there are still things I discover, new combos I think off.

    From beta, we have 7 classes, 8 races, which gives you 56 starting combinations.

    (also the secret dire penguin race that everyone thinks is Tigrans:P)

    Now add in various map settings, which change the entire game.

    Now add in specialisations.

    There is *alot* to discover, and I feel most reviewers don’t look past:

    Elf sword and Orc sword -> difference =?

    I’m also learning (still) the intricacies of tactical combat, and how +/- 1 in a stat can make a huge impact.

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